Thanks for the help my friend! Man, I forgot about the "ladders" on the inside of some tracks. Some had metal bumps (Englewood tried that in the late '70's) while some older tracks had half buried tires on the inside, or nothing at all. There are a few pics I've seen of the Midgets at Lakeside in the '40's where you can actually see these wooden "ladders" around the inside groove. They must have gotten rid of them once the big stock cars started. Wouldn't those half buried tires be the most dangerous though?? Seems like they could launch a car if you hit those suckers just right!!!

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Thanks for the help my friend! Man, I forgot about the "ladders" on the inside of some tracks. Some had metal bumps (Englewood tried that in the late '70's) while some older tracks had half buried tires on the inside, or nothing at all. There are a few pics I've seen of the Midgets at Lakeside in the '40's where you can actually see these wooden "ladders" around the inside groove. They must have gotten rid of them once the big stock cars started. Wouldn't those half buried tires be the most dangerous though?? Seems like they could launch a car if you hit those suckers just right!!!:ohmy:

Jerry, I never did see any pics of those old wooden "ladders" that you mentioned. I've always wondered why they referred to the more modern versions as "ladders." Now I know... In 1964, Wyoming Auto Racing Club (WARC) President, Joe Montgomery, hired his son and a bunch of his son's young friends to dug up all the buried tire "ladders" at Intermountain Speedway in Cheyenne, WY. Guess who was one of his son's young friends? Man, that was a dirty and thankless job! A more predicable strip of cement "ladders" replaced those buried tires. ~VB

Speaking of the ladders, check out the Don Burn exhibit. There's a picture of a flipping Midget in the backchute at Lakeside, and the wooden ladders can be seen on the inside of the track there. There is a better pic of the ladders in a shot of the Midgets coming out of turn 2 also, the pic is on this site somewhere, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.

Just a little off topic: Is anyone having trouble with posting here lately? It seems after I log in, and go to answer a post or put a new one up, it lists me as "Guest" and not a registered user. A couple of times it would recognize me, let me write out a text post, and as soon as I hit SUBMIT, it would give me the message "Sorry, only registered users can post", or something like that. This is my first post that has actually worked in awhile. Anyone else having trouble?

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Speaking of the ladders, check out the Don Burn exhibit. There's a picture of a flipping Midget in the backchute at Lakeside, and the wooden ladders can be seen on the inside of the track there. There is a better pic of the ladders in a shot of the Midgets coming out of turn 2 also, the pic is on this site somewhere, but I can't seem to find it at the moment.;)

Just a little off topic: Is anyone having trouble with posting here lately? It seems after I log in, and go to answer a post or put a new one up, it lists me as "Guest" and not a registered user. A couple of times it would recognize me, let me write out a text post, and as soon as I hit SUBMIT, it would give me the message "Sorry, only registered users can post", or something like that. This is my first post that has actually worked in awhile. Anyone else having trouble?

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Here's a rare photo, never published because I only know of one copy, my mom has had this photo since she was 10 years old. LeRoy Byers thinks Scott Duncan took this shot in early 1947, at Lakeside Speedway. I've sent this to Rick to work his magic on. Lloyd Axel is in the #5, a early 1946 Kurtis Kraft (became the Eddie Jackson #5, has a very extensive Colorado history, and is now owned by LeRoy Byers) The #55 is the new 1947 Kurtis, notice that Frank Kurtis raised the cowell loop on the chassis by one inch in 1947, gives the car a little more rake, and pleasing look to the car. Bert McNeese is at the wheel, as in the Pikes Peak Speedway photo, there is no evidence that anybody but McNeese drove this car while Axel owned it in Colorado.

Hey, Jerry! Thanks for the wooden ladders references. They were right there in front of me all this time. I can't believe how deep and how big those wooden ladder boxes were. Cool stuff... ~VB
I personally haven't experienced the posting problems that you described. ~VB

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Greg Cederburg (Cheyenne, WY) was the driver and 1/3 of the Cederburg, Noud, and Wendzel (CN&W) #84 race team (circa 1968-1969).

Ooops...see the next pages please! ~VB

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Greg Cederburg (Cheyenne, WY) was the driver and 1/3 of the Cederburg, Noud, and Wendzel (CN&W) #84 race team (circa 1968-1969).

This article comes from a 1969 WARC Track Program written by Cheyenne Fender Bender members Phyllis Stewart and Florance Bechtel. This trophy-dash winner photo is by Stephen Crane. Don't know who the cute little trophy-gal is, but the guy holding the checkered flag is Cheyenne's legendary flagman, John Lucas. ~VB

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VintageBuzz wrote:
Greg Cederburg (Cheyenne, WY) was the driver and 1/3 of the Cederburg, Noud, and Wendzel (CN&W) #84 race team (circa 1968-1969).

This article comes from a 1969 WARC Track Program written by Cheyenne Fender Bender members Phyllis Stewart and Florance Bechtel. There are a couple of corrections to this article: 1) In the first-paragraph second-sentence, Phyllis and Florance are talking about Greg's first season of racing (1968) in which Greg and the CN&W Chevrolet finished 4th in final-points, not 5th; and 2) in the second paragraph, the car is a 1955 Chevy, not a 1957 as stated. ~VB

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Greg Cederburg (Cheyenne, WY) was the driver and 1/3 of the Cederburg, Noud, and Wendzel (CN&W) #84 race team (circa 1968-1969).

1969 WARC Points Standings prior to the final end-of-season points. Greg & the #84 CN&W Chevrolet was ahead of Kenny Clark and Bill McHone! That didn't last long. ~VB

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VintageBuzz wrote:
Greg Cederburg (Cheyenne, WY) was the driver and 1/3 of the Cederburg, Noud, and Wendzel (CN&W) #84 race team (circa 1968-1969).

This article comes from a 1969 WARC Track Program written by Cheyenne Fender Bender members Phyllis Stewert and Florance Bechtel. There are a couple of corrections to this article: 1) In the first-paragraph second-sentence, Phyllis and Florance are talking about Greg's first season of racing (1968) in which Greg and the CN&W Chevrolet finished 4th in final-points, not 5th; and 2) in the second paragraph, the car is a 1955 Chevy, not a 1957 as stated. ~VB

Definately a 1955 Chevy! ~VB
Those custom-made wheels were fabricated by Greg's Dad, Lee Cederburg. Years later, Greg ran them at the much larger Century 21 Speedway on his Chevy II #84 race car. ~VB

I remember as a kid growing up in 67-68 we lived in Cheyenne about 1 1/2 miles to the north of the track on hiway 85. Some of the favorites in the C-class were of course Kenny Clark, Phil"Flash" Ash, Bill McChone, Micky Thompson, Herb Renz, Darrell Stewart, Jake Jacobs, Clearence Kreiger,Stan & Gerry Schilling, Raymond Seidler Bob Martin of Casper and Greg, these guys put on a great show. Also in the A-class(later modifieds) were Kennie Hawkins, Dick Piscatella, Bill Jones, Leon Moore, Comp Wilson, Phil Brulliet(unsure of the spelling) Ray Bird, Dennis & Francis Duvall, Chuck Hoffman just to name a few, these guys were my inspiration, then we moved back to Ft.Collins and We would go to Chey-town on Sat. night and to Lakeside on Sun. night, what a great time to be a kid. Thanks Buzz for the great memories
Bruce