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Old 01-27-2010, 08:25 PM   #11
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I recieved a message on my Skype account from a Robert Ralston that I would like to pass on to the members creating ARM's Hall of Fame.

"Hi: I saw your chatter about an ARM HOF. We started one in the Milwaukee area 4 years ago and its going Great Guns. Your biggest headache will be setting some rules that you can stick to and bending over backwards to be fair. No good deed goes unpunished. We are housed at the Wisconsin Automotive Museum in Hartford Wi. Google- Southeastern Wisconsin Short Track Hall Of Fame- to see the web site, though its about to upgrade big time. Our induction-annual dinner drew 600 on Nov 1. Three sellouts in a row. I'm on the 7 member board. Bob Ralston (Goodluck)"

To take a look at their site click Southeastern Wisconsin Short Track HOF
Interesting.

I think our HOF will be more just for fun. Sorta like a bench racers HOF.
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Old 01-27-2010, 08:33 PM   #12
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You never know Webby, you might have created a National Bench Racers HOF.
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Old 01-28-2010, 09:40 AM   #13
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I think this is a neat idea guys. Nothing really "official", but just the ARM's fun little deal. My knowledge of auto racing is pretty limited to just this area (and some NASCAR), so I don't think I would be much help, but I know there are enough guys on here from other areas around the globe that could add a lot of neat information on people who should be recognized, and I can't wait to read and learn about them.


A.J. Foyt rules!
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:27 PM   #14
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Here are my ideas for criteria....

(please help me add, delete, and edit these)

- The person must be retired from racing at least 5 years.
- The person must have at least some degree of national recognition.

- The person must meet one of the two following conditions:
-- The person must have made a major impact in one form of racing (i.e., midgets, sprint cars, stock cars, etc.).
-- The person must have had success in multiple forms of racing.

Other items that might warrant HOF status:

- The person may have been a innovator in the sport and changed the sport in a positive way.
- The person may have dedicated their life to furthering the auto racing in some way.

I submit that each year we accept 5 nominations into the HOF and each year those five will be called the "ARM Fab 5, class of 2010". Each year the "Fab 5" will be made up of 4 drivers and at least one non-driver (promoter, car builder, announcer, track owner, etc.). I also submit that each year we pick the "low hanging fruit" (i.e., the obvious choices that nobody could disagree with, A.J. Foyt, Mario Andretti) but we also include at least one "dark horse" or "surprise" choice that is a bit less known but still had a huge impact on auto racing that way our HOF is a resource for learning about auto racing for folks that might have not heard of some of the "behind the scenes" kinda guys.

Our HOF can be WORLD-WIDE!!! No geographic limitations for us.

We will have a nomination process and then a team of pre-selected ARM members to make the final picks each year.

I agree that Thomas should be president and general "dude in charge".

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I'm all for this HOF thing. But why national recognition? The are many local people who have done so much for the sport in this area, but they didn't receive any national focus.

I also think you need to open up the fields more. What about track officials that have worked for so many years without much recognition? How about a crew member that worked his butt off for the same team for many years? There are plenty of unsung heros out there that deserve some recognition.

I'd really like to see this take more a a local area HOF.
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:40 PM   #15
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Depends on what kind of scope we want to cover regarding auto racing. Officials, and crewman are kind of objective choices, some officials, while being around a long time, did more harm than good. Every crewman feels he worked his butt off for the car owner or driver, and his wife or girlfriend would say "yeah, he was always working on the car, and never got any credit, blah, blah" Not to be demeaning, but pretty soon we will be nominating ticket takers, program sellers, beer vendors, etc. Since we are doing this for fun, more or less, my opinion is we keep it to track owners, promoters, announcers, car owners, and drivers. In my opinion, any auto racing hall of fame needs to include a listing of national champions, it gives you a baseline of the kind of people you want inducted into your hall. For instance, there are drivers who have won hundreds of main events, in one kind of car, in one state, on very few tracks, and never a win against a national touring series, but their win totals are huge. Then compared to say Parnelli Jones, his totals in midgets and sprints, and modifieds are not huge, though impressive, but his overall career is second to none, Indy 500 win, LA Times Grand Prix win in a Lola sports car, NASCAR cup wins, off road championships, Trans Am victory's, dirt tracks, rear engine, front engine, paved tracks, on and on, simply one of the top 3 race drivers of all time, ever. This gives you a "baseline" of comparison, just my thoughts.
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Yeah, Go national Go global!
Yeah forget the little guy who made up the local scene. Poured out his blood, sweat, and tears not to mention the financial cost and the family sacrifice to run Englewood, Greeley or Lakeside or what ever track, week in and week out to who had or have the PASSION to compete. What about the guys could NOT afford to run two different classes at two different tracks but had the same DRIVE and dedication as say Herschel McGriff. Yeah explain all this to Shorty Weitzel or Bill Starks, Ronnie Lee or........
Yup, go National.

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Old 01-28-2010, 07:57 PM   #17
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Yeah, Go national Go global!
Yeah forget the little guy who made up the local scene. Poured out his blood, sweat, and tears not to mention the financial cost and the family sacrifice to run Englewood, Greeley or Lakeside or what ever track, week in and week out to who had or have the PASSION to compete. What about the guys could NOT afford to run two different classes at two different tracks but had the same DRIVE and dedication as say Herschel McGriff. Yeah explain all this to Shorty Weitzel or Bill Starks, Ronnie Lee or........
Yup, go National.

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We hear your sarcasm but truth be told there is already a hall of fame for local racing.

We certainly don't want to duplicate those efforts.
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Old 01-30-2010, 03:55 PM   #18
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No sarcasm here just an old man who needs more fiber in his diet.
Besides I thought this site was some what a replacement for Colorado racing Memories.
And do you think that Don Styes the greatest flagman to ever drop the green flag would fit your criteria?
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Old 01-30-2010, 05:50 PM   #19
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I'm not from that area, but I think an auto racing Hall of Fame for that area would be fantastic. I don't know Don Styes, but as an old flagman, I think there has been too little recognition given to those guys whose primary focus and responsibility is for the racers' safety. You have no idea how lonely that position can be at times.
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Old 01-30-2010, 07:03 PM   #20
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Indybigjohn, I was an assistant flagman at a pretty decent midget show in Osborn, KS in 1989, (we had a 36 car field, from all over the mid-west, very competitive bunch, on a dangerous, dark, fast 1/2 mile dirt, scary place) let me tell you it changed my mind about that job. I think every driver, car owner, and other racing official should spend one night in the flag stand, especially at a dirt track. It should be required, you learn real quick to quit your bitching about most flag men after that. Yes Don Styes deserves to be in a hall of fame.
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